With the PW upgrade, could vargur fit 1200mm?

It is not even useful for pve, at least for people that don't over tank every hull or use them for PVE with RR like WH or Incs.

Well, it massively increases solo PvE income.....if you're willing to take the risk. They can run L5 missions at over twice the rate of any other subcapital, clear nullsec and/or wormhole anoms at over twice the rate, and they can salvage while you're doing this leading to 2-3 times the income that was possible before from any of these sources.

These changes make every ship balanced for both PVE and PVP
For PVE:
Your resists will be higher than what they are now

ROFL. Another capsuleer expresses himself with eloquent reasoned argument.

So in your world 100% bonus together with buffed resists is less than 37.5% bonus?

In granting it the ability rep others in bastion mode, instead of an ewar immunity, maybe it should increase the sensor strength and lock range.

Silence the Informant, come on man, this joke got old 4 missions ago... Not only are they easily killed... but you dont need to kill them, even if they web you you can just tractor the mission item. "but but what about loot and salvage!!!"... its full of frigs and you can loot and salvage the BS's on the marauder with no trouble..

Paladin

While the optimal bonus is perfect, a tracking bonus would probably the better option, given that it is the best marauder already. Also the drone bay nerf kills the sentry potential.

The web bonus is very handy for pve in minmatar space and multi boxing L4 or WH to, like putting a 90% web on a frig and shoot it with a ship that actually can track and lock quickly(like my navy apoc) to completely go with sentry drones instead of waiting on your light drones to do the job(what speeds pve up immensely). The only reason it got not utilized on the paladin so much for L4 is that it is not needed for most L4 in amarr space, in mini or gallente space is is very handy.

Proper gank fitted laser ships are actually not to bad in minmatar space. My Paladin is nearly as fast as my Vargur, because most lower end NPCs have hardly any serious resistances(meaning the volley count is very similar) and conflagration deals very good damage against angels, because it got a lot of thermal damage.

Option A: MWDing in range, burn everything with max dps, loot BS on the fly.
Option B: MJD out of range, use low damage ammo, being unable to loot BS on the fly.

Guess what people that did spend 50+ days on marauder 5 and use them on a daily basis do with them?

Also it is fairly unlikely that you hit the gate perfectly and you will in most cases spend more time to slow boat to it after landing 5-8km off the gate, than somebody that just mwd's 10-15 km to it(at least if they don't make them all bricks)

Hey people,

We've been away from this thread for a while to let things cool down a bit.

With Rubicon coming to Singularity soon, we've decided to revert Marauders to the original design for now, as we want to see how they actually fare in practice within player hands before committing to the version 2 change. We will let you know if and when we move to version 2 again. WeGÇÖll most likely open a new thread when they appear on Singularity as this one has become quite convoluted.

That means:

• Shield, armor and hull resists in Bastion Mode only
• Keep the 37.5% tank bonus on the Marauders, no web bonus

We are also aware this won't please everyone here - regarding their comparison with Pirate Battleships, especially the Machariel, please remember we have stated many times Pirate hulls were due for a rebalance, with Angel Cartel being on the front line for tuning changes.

Thanks for your time.

Good luck fitting arties on the Vargur...

Eve description of Marauders is actually pretty false when you look at their current status, and will still be after changes if this important point is not changed for a permanent better sensor strength and remove the ewar immunity from the bastion module.
ATM see no interest in getting one for anything else than shoot structures or gank capitals a-la-transformer

To test Bastion on SiSi, goto Moveme channel and type bastion to get skills for all marauders and bastion.

On the Bastion Module. please ensure the range bonuses are non-stacking, since they're half the reason to use the modules and they don't seem to be ATM.

Though I haven't used it yet, i'm not sure I like MJD bonus as we're still to slow to close the leftover distance.

yeah, but if i'm 60km from the gate when I hit the mission, it's not very likely that without geometry that i'll hit my first jump well enough to catch the second.
And if I just to a gate 60km away, i'll miss by at least 20km.

In order to make Marauders more viable pve and pvp option is to fix its core problems:

- Fixing scan resolution (%70 pvp, %30 pve)
- Fixing sensor strength (%80 pvp, %20 pve)
- T2 Resists (%50 pvp, %50 pve)

- Just fixing these will make them more considerable option for pvp. They really needed nothing else.
- Salvaging mechanics are already be taken care of so no problems there.
- Remove mjd bonus. Put a cap recharge bonus per marauder level instead. (mwd+ab+active tank friendly)
- For the bastion module (not mentioning falloff+optimal bonus);
a - Reducing heat by ((marauders level * 16) + (high energy physics * 2)) percent. (makes 90 percent at most)
b - Remove ewar immunity (went for constant sensor strength increase + scan res. instead)
c - Remove mobility penalty.
d - Remove local repair bonus while in bastion if it still has one in its current iteration.
e - Powergrid boost is fine since it will give people more choices.
f - Remove that extra +1 high. +1 med slot for ST marauders, and +1 low slot for AT marauders.

What about this?